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Post by [lms]tomero on Jan 12, 2009 11:28:17 GMT -6
the jew has a point...
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Post by [lms]rieper on Jan 12, 2009 16:17:52 GMT -6
...Just to be clear, any Jews who do not think Israel's actions are justified are guaranteed not to be religious or even in the right frame of mind. You're overlooking the fact that the death toll in Gaza is by far mostly terrorists who were defending rocket launch sites and attempting to ambush Israeli soldiers. You can say that there are 800 casualties if you want, but you have to understand that a monster like hamas takes its' own people has human shields. Israel cares so much about the innocent people of Gaza that they announce to the people of the nation where they are bombing and that the people should evacuate from that place. The only people left there are those who refuse to believe the people who want to save them. The pamphlets dropped on Gaza clearly told the people of Gaza that they were only out to kill security threats and so far the objective has been reached. Until Hamas agrees to stop smuggling weapons and stop hurting Israeli schools and community centers, Israel will keep pushing further. And by the way, so far the only Gaza school that has been shot near was a spot near a UN school which was hit by a mortar shell that missed its target. I don't blame you for your ignorance, I blame the ignorant A.P. and the Liberals of the United Nations. The fact that you're connecting 'having a different opinion about an armed conflict' to 'not being religious' just makes you sound more like an religious fundamentalist. Besides, having you giving me numbers and trying to convince me that those casualties aren't civilian without any significant proof other then 'because I say so' doesn't really negate the official reports from people at the scene and their pictures of dead babies. Besides, telling people to get out of the area and simultaneously putting up blockades at the edges of the warzones, not letting anyone get out is pretty ridiculous aswell. It'd be like me putting up roadblocks in your street, then warning you that we'll bomb your street and if you get blown up, blame you for staying there. Only thing these people can do is take shelter in UN schools or public buildings, and even they get shot at.... I aknowledge the fact that Hamas must be stopped, but this isn't the way it's supposed to happen. Besides, blaming the rest of the world or the AP with being ignorant doesn't make you right. Do you think the Nazi's said, oh well, those other countries and the press is right about this, we are acting like animals? No, they said the rest of the world was ignorant for not sharing their opinions on how to do stuff. (and I'm not trying to belittle the Holocaust in any way and acknowledge that it was exponentially worse than what's happening here , I'm just making, be it a bit far fetched, comparison here, between two people's who were convinced they were doing the right thing) Won't you agree that bombing urban, densely populated zones is a bad idea in any kind of warfare? But I digress, we should end this discussion because we won't be able to agree. I'm just gonne keep thinking about this as a huge loss of innocent life, and you will just keep thinking about it being necesary to kill of some civilians so you can keep them in their 'reservations' without them bothering you. I'd better stop before you call me anti-semitic and declare me a racist.
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Post by [lms]theory on Jan 13, 2009 16:00:38 GMT -6
you know, as far as christianity goes, that area is the christian holy land as well as the jewish and islamic holy land. the only difference is, the christians don't really feel the need to fight to the death just to live there, they just went somewhere else. so why jews and muslims fight over the land there... i don't know. all i know is that from a christian perspective, that land belongs to the jews, not the muslims.
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Post by [lms]tomero on Jan 13, 2009 16:57:27 GMT -6
the land belonged to the jews like 5000 years ago... then they got conquered by the romans and then they just left:p
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Post by shecter on Jan 13, 2009 17:36:19 GMT -6
Wow get your facts straight. We had the land up until the Romans conquered in like the 200's BCE or something but have still had people there ever since and also we didn't just leave we were evicted, exiled if you will, to the rest of the empire all over Europe. That's what created the stereotypical Jews you always think about with the black hats and everything, that tradition mostly began in Russia Germany and Poland thanks to the Romans. We wanted to stay in our state and as far as I know, countries don't work finders keepers, it's finders-conquers-keepers. Also the Islamic Jerusalem (Mecca) is in Saudi Arabia, I don't know what the fuck they want with our land. The point is, once the Muslims care enough to conquer our state, it's always been our land.
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Post by [lms]rieper on Jan 13, 2009 19:19:11 GMT -6
you know, as far as christianity goes, that area is the christian holy land as well as the jewish and islamic holy land. the only difference is, the christians don't really feel the need to fight to the death just to live there, they just went somewhere else. so why jews and muslims fight over the land there... i don't know. all i know is that from a christian perspective, that land belongs to the jews, not the muslims. We did actually, remember the crusades? Good thing is the West (Europe in particular) has gotten alot less religious and alot less fundamentalistic, opened up to reasoning more.
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Post by shecter on Jan 13, 2009 22:03:24 GMT -6
Yes, thank god we don't have to fight Christians anymore, it was hell.
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Post by [lms]rieper on Jan 16, 2009 8:06:56 GMT -6
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Post by [lms]tomero on Jan 16, 2009 9:17:57 GMT -6
christians ftw rieper ur such a fascist bastard^^
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Post by [lms]mattPsycho on Jan 25, 2009 12:14:20 GMT -6
hahahaha i remember in toronto they had to call in the riot police cause in the jew part of the city a huge number of paki towel heads went there and started fighting the jews over that whole gaza strip bull shit hahaha
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Post by shecter on Jan 27, 2009 19:06:03 GMT -6
This is a quote my friend emailed to me:
Islam is a violent religion that threatens our very existence as a civilization. Manmade global warming is junk science and trying to control global warming will destroy our economy. And finally Obama is a committed Marxist and is in the process of destroying our entire way of life . It is time to open our eyes and see the truth.
Enough of Radical Islam
--Ben Shapiro
Enough with the pseudonyms. Western civilization isn't at war with terrorism any more than it is at war with grenades. Western civilization is at war with militant Islam, which dominates Muslim communities all over the world. Militant Islam isn't a tiny minority of otherwise goodhearted Muslims. It's a dominant strain of evil that runs rampant in a population of well over 1 billion.
Enough with the psychoanalysis. They don't hate us because of Israel. They don't hate us because of Kashmir. They don't hate us because we have troops in Saudi Arabia or because we deposed Saddam Hussein. They don't hate us because of Britney Spears. They hate us because we are infidels, and because we don't plan on surrendering or providing them material aid in their war of aggressive expansion.
Enough with the niceties. We don't lose our souls when we treat our enemies as enemies. We don't undermine our principles when we post more police officers in vulnerable areas, or when we send Marines to kill bad guys, or when we torture terrorists for information. And we don't redeem ourselves when we close Guantanamo Bay or try terrorists in civilian courts or censor anti-Islam comics. When it comes to war, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Enough with the words. Talking with Iran without wielding the threat of force, either economic or military, won't help. Appealing to the United Nations, run by thugs and dictators ranging from Putin to Chavez to Ahmadinejad, is an exercise in pathetic futility. Evil countries don't suddenly decide to abandon their evil goals - they are forced to do so by pressure and circumstance.
Enough with the faux allies. We don't gain anything by pretending that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are true allies. They aren't.. At best, they are playing both sides of the table. We ought to be drilling now in order to break OPEC. Building windmills isn't going to cut it. We should also be backing India to the hilt in its current conflict with Pakistan - unless Pakistan can destroy its terrorist element, India should be given full leeway to do what it needs to do. Russia and China, meanwhile, are facilitating anti-Western terrorism. Treating them as friends in this global war is simply begging for a backstabbing.
Enough with the myths. Not everyone on earth is crying out for freedom. There are plenty of people who are happy in their misery, believing that their suffering is part and parcel of a correct religious system. Those people direct their anger outward, targeting unbelievers. We cannot simply knock off dictators and expect indoctrinated populations to rise to the liberal democratic challenge. The election of Hamas in the Gaza Strip is more a rule than an exception in the Islamic world.
Enough with the lies. Stop telling us that Islam is a religion of peace. If it is, prove it through action. Stop telling us that President-elect Barack Obama will fix our broken relationship with the Muslim world. They hate Obama just as much as they hated President George W. Bush, although they think Obama is more of a patsy than Bush was. Stop telling us that we shouldn't worry about the Islamic infiltration of our economy. If the Saudis own a large chunk of our banking institutions and control the oil market, they can certainly leverage their influence in dangerous ways.
Enough. After the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, the plane downed in Pennsylvania, the endless suicide bombings, shootings and rocket attacks in Israel, the Bali bombings, the synagogue bombing in Tunisia, the LAX shootings, the Kenyan hotel bombing, the Casablanca attacks, the Turkey synagogue attacks, the Madrid bombings, the London bombings, and the repeated attacks in India culminating in the Mumbai massacres - among literally thousands of others - it's about time that the West got the point: we're in a war. Our enemies are determined. They will not quit just because we offer them Big Macs, Christina Aguilera CDs, or even the freedom to vote. They will not quit just because we ensure that they have Korans in their Guantanamo cells, or because we offer to ban "The Satanic Verses" (as India did). They will only quit when they are dead. It is our job to make them so, and to eliminate every obstacle to their destruction.
So enough. No more empty talk. No more idle promises. No more happy ignorance, half measures, or appeasement-minded platitudes. The time for hard-nosed, uncompromising action hasn't merely come - it's been overdue by seven years. The voice of our brothers' blood cries out from the ground.
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Post by [lms]mattPsycho on Jan 27, 2009 19:09:21 GMT -6
fuck that im not reading all that... i need a beer
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Post by ben on Jan 28, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -6
same here matt, i think this thread should be deleted before it turns into a bible
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Post by [lms]tomero on Jan 28, 2009 13:29:38 GMT -6
immagine it...
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Post by [lms]theory on Jan 29, 2009 16:12:12 GMT -6
i think i'm straight <3
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